The Lure of Alternate History

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The Lure of Alternate History

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I'm a great fan of historical fiction, and I try to stick to the 'where the history book ends, my story begins' in my own writing. That said, every historic novel plays a little with the known knowns. For example, Dumas's musketeers were based on historical figures, but the author strayed very, very far from the real noblemen.

Some works play a lot. Are you attracted by fictional worlds where something went the other way at a turning point? The result tends to be anti-utopian, I guess I'm drawn by the stories where everything had gone even worse than it did IRL -- 'For All Time', anyone? Well, even the author abandoned that one. :evil: Oh, and there was a wild 22 November 1963 story where on top of the Dallas assassination everyone in the line of succession, ahem, joined JFK due to a variety of unnatural or natural causes -- everyone preceding RFK, that is. :mindblow:

An alternate history story where everything has gone really well -- would it be a dull one by definition?

Do you like alternate history? If so, why? Do think it's interesting to add an element of alternate history in your writing?
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Alternate history is such a great playground, one has already a setting firmed in the reader’s mind. just ready to pull out the rug underneath their feet with a single sentence. Like describing a commemorative celebration of the end of WW2, combined with the preparation of Hitler’s 90th birthday. Fatherland by Harris is working due to that trick.
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When I saw your mention of "The Three Musketeers" I chuckled thinking back to when I read it and discovered that the actual title was intended to be "The Four Musketeers" but a printer made an error. Enjoyed the book immensely, but never forgave Dumas for the death of Madame Bonacieux. I waited with baited breath for her and D'Artagnan to have their embrace. How I am such a softie in real life and so enjoy non-con stuff is a question I'll never figure out.
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@Lucius
I think alternate history has ist appeal, but is also a very tricky terrain, depending on what you intend to do.

For fantasy and Sci-Fi you need good worldbuilding as foundation. The longer and more in depht the story is, the more worldbuilding.
With historical pieces you need to know history. The more realistic you want it to be, the better your knowledge has to be.
For both there is a lot of wriggle room, but thats the baseline.

For good (realistic) alternate history you need to know history, and you need worldbuilding. But you don't have things like magic or sci-fi tech.
And even with those things you have to extrapolate what would happen in the real world after the point where both timelines diverge.

Two examples:
Someone I know once read a novel and was gushing over how in depth it was, how detailed and realistic. Even believing this could happen in the real world under the right circumstances.
It was something about a war between US and China
Another guy, much more intelligent, slight obsession with chinese history and china in general, and a degree in political science denounced it as trash and told me barely anything in there would even work in the real world, and even if: Only if the entire chinese government was made up of complete morons.

Another one: Years ago I read a short story about Nazi occultists summoning succubi to our world. I was inspired to make a picture out of it. When I posted it on HF I added a little backstory. At the time I had read and watched stuff about the Battle of Kursk. And even in this setting where nazi germany summoned succubi and possible other demons from hell, and used black magic and occult science to create super-soldiers and weapons I was thinking: Would this relatively small operation I envisoned be able to win the Battle of Kursk? And if yes: Would Army Group Center be able to make another push for Moscow? Or Amry Group South for the Kaukasus? And it was just four lines for the description of the pic.
In the end I wrote that they used their demonic forces to win Stalingrad instead.
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Shocker wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 9:18 pm Alternate history is such a great playground, one has already a setting firmed in the reader’s mind. just ready to pull out the rug underneath their feet with a single sentence. Like describing a commemorative celebration of the end of WW2, combined with the preparation of Hitler’s 90th birthday. Fatherland by Harris is working due to that trick.
Heh, it was Harris's Fatherland that got me interested in alternate history! One of the best efforts in this field.
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AdmiralPiet wrote: Wed Feb 18, 2026 8:32 pmSomeone I know once read a novel and was gushing over how in depth it was, how detailed and realistic. Even believing this could happen in the real world under the right circumstances.
It was something about a war between US and China
Another guy, much more intelligent, slight obsession with chinese history and china in general, and a degree in political science denounced it as trash and told me barely anything in there would even work in the real world, and even if: Only if the entire chinese government was made up of complete morons.
Frankly, that's completely believable. One can easily imagine a fictional US administration run staffed by them, why not a fictional Chinese government? :d
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Lucius wrote: Fri Feb 20, 2026 6:48 pmFrankly, that's completely believable. One can easily imagine a fictional US administration run staffed by them, why not a fictional Chinese government? :d
That may be true, but then the other thing applies: It would not work.

As far as I understood him: It would be like if someone wrote a novel about Trump and all of his idiot policies (immigration crackdown, tariffs, greenland...) just worked like a charm.
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What could be more empowering !??????!!!!

- Through the act of composing alternate history fiction, powerless (relatively) people bestow upon themselves the god-like capacity to remake the real world to their own design.

The allure of writing alternate history fiction lies in the empowerment that writing alternate history fiction proliferates.
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I have no interest in alternate history in and of itself. I'm trying to think of an alternate history story that I like a lot and the only thing that comes to mind is the Code Geass anime. If I remember correctly, the world of Code Geass is based on the US staying a british colony. But the story is also SciFi with some fantasy elements mixed in. I didn't choose it for the alternate history aspect, it was just there somewhere in the background.

I think I watched an episode or two of The Man In the High Castle a few years ago but it didn't grab me.

The thought to go for an alternate history setting in one of my stories never even occurred to me. I wonder whether I could come up with anything interesting to do with that. :think: Maybe we need a "Leave your comfort zone!"-contest where each participating author gets assigned to write a type of story they usually would never write by the community. :sweatgrin:
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Claire wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 2:07 am Maybe we need a "Leave your comfort zone!"-contest where each participating author gets assigned to write a type of story they usually would never write by the community. :sweatgrin:
This could really work well, with some limitations.